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mallani


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Guys,

I think Mary has her answer, so time to close this thread.



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TomF wrote:

It is not our place to question decisions others have made.

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Of course it is our place to question decisions others make when those decisions involve harming others.  For some people others include animals who can't speak for themselves.  Having HepC doesn't mean we throw out our humanity in the name of never risking offending someone else who has HepC.   The idea of maiming cats so they won't infect our family members with HepC is ludicrous.  If saying that upsets someone then so be it.  



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Thank you so much Tom. We're here to get healthy and support one another. I won't say another word about cats. Be well everyone!



-- Edited by Audreyanna on Sunday 3rd of August 2014 06:07:48 PM

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I have heard people say that keeping any domestic animal, including dogs and cats is, is unethical. no

Obviously there are many differing opinions on what is right.  It is not our place to question decisions others have made.



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Not to turn this into a cat thread......but if you make a choice and declaw a cat....you become responcable for it's welfare.....for ever.  They are helpless.  People drop cats all the time at my farm....and the ones that have been declawed are in the worst shape by the time we find them, fortunately I've been able to place them all into great homes.

im not trying to be an alarmist,,,,just that there've been a few explicit threads about people and their sexual encounters,,....divert your eyes,,,,,divert your eyes....but my husband lives with me...married me before we knew about the hep.....his mom has hep,...and he does not. So I'm thinking it's hard to get hep from normal sex...or living with a person with hep.  My children don't have hep either,

I'm pretty sure I got hep from surgery in the 80's......my husband thinks I got it in the 70's running on an old scoop and run ambulance,,,,,,,no gloves....

so im thinking that's how most people got it,,,,some from drugs, needle sharing.....some from dentists.....

poor uncle mo...the racehorse.....I think It was intentional needle sharing to knock the horse out of racing,,,,...I had just found myself wondering about hep in animals.....

thanks for answering the question......it's always interesting to me....how large a desease hep is...and how old it is......from the days of egypt I've heard......



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Audreyanna wrote:

You obviously don't have kids and are very judgmental.

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You are assuming that anyone who has kids would make the choice to declaw their cat to prevent the risk of it transferring HCV to their kids.  Many parents would not make that choice.  

Everyone makes judgements, including you.  At the moment you are judging me for not supporting declawing to avoid transferring HCV.  If nobody made judgments the act of murder would be socially acceptable.  



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Fear can be dangerous.  This type of thinking is what makes it so very easy to treat people who have infectious diseases with carelessness and cruelty.   



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Audreyanna wrote:

If you can get it from a razor or toothbrush, I would think needle like claws drawing blood could be a way. How many cases are documented of transmission via toothbrush?



-- Edited by Audreyanna on Sunday 3rd of August 2014 04:48:38 AM

 I'm not educated about the issue but I certainly think like you. And it seems to me one variable, time between 1st scratch-to-2nd, would also be pertinent. I'm co-infected and do not share any of my personal items with anyone mainly because of HepC, not HIV, which is infectable a much shorter time than HepC when outside of the conditions within the human body.

I also have wondered about mosquitos too. I avoid them like the plague.



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You obviously don't have kids and are very judgmental.



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"Declawing" requires an amputation of the distal phalanx, or end bones, of the cat's toes.  Amputation is not a reasonable solution to a perceived threat that a cat may infect a person with HCV.  

In many European and other countries "declawing" is illegal.  Only in America are an estimated 25% of household cats declawed.  There is no limit to the justification for cruelty-- if that is the choice one makes.  



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Thanks, Huey.



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I would not rule that out, this is a good point, They have now durable plastic tips for cat's you can just glue on,  You don't have to make the poor things defenceless

/My Brother and I are still paying off Nixon, , Nixon was our cat that ate a long string, we didn't know it and it tied it intestines shut, We spent 1200 trying to save him but nothing could be done.



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Viruses do not form fossils in the traditional sense, because they are much smaller than the grains of sedimentary rocks that fossilize plants and animals. However, the genomes of many organism contain endogenous viral elements (EVEs). These DNA sequences are the remnants of ancient virus genes and genomes that ancestrally 'invaded' the host germline. For example, the genomes of most vertebrate species contain hundreds to thousands of sequences derived from ancient retroviruses. These sequences are a valuable source of retrospective evidence about the evolutionary history of viruses, and have given birth to the science of paleovirology.[10]

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Time-line of paleoviruses in the human lineage[10]
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I admit I was very freaked out in 1997 when I was diagnosed with this potentially deadly disease. I was a scared, single mom and didn't want to possibly risk my young son's life so I saw no other option, other than taking my kitten to be eventually euthanized. I'm an animal lover but humans, especially my little boy, come first.  Besides, just because it hasn't been documented, how can it be proven? If you can get it from a razor or toothbrush, I would think needle like claws drawing blood could be a way. How many cases are documented of transmission via toothbrush?



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Hepatitis literally means inflammation of the liver and yes animals can get various types of hepatitis.  They cannot, however, get or transmit the HepC virus (the exception being primates who are genetically very close to humans).  

Additionally, there has never been a documented case of a cat scratching a HepC infected person and then transmitting the virus to a second person by scratching the second person. This is a myth.  It is unfortunate that this myth has led to the maiming of cats by declawing them. 



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Hi Mary,

Essentially, only humans can be infected by HCV. However, chimpanzees can be infected and develop hepatitis after being injected with HCV. This formed the basis of research into the early DAA's. HCV doesn't  infect chimps in the wild.

HCV is one of the hepaciviruses, and similar viruses can cause hepatitis in horses and dogs. One of these is Hepatitis-G (GBV-B) and this can cause hepatitis in tamarins and marmosets.

Whether our virus evolved from a similar virus in animals is still the subject of research. However, it is clear you can't get HCV from cats and dogs, and you can't pass it to them.



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The DNA won't let this happen, but through mutations, it is possible , I be-leave,
/anyone like to add to this??


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I dont know about that but I had my cat totally declawed (front and back, poor baby) because I thought it would be the perfect transmission route - scratch me then scratch my child. That happened once before i got into the vet. I pray my son doesn't have it. He was only 4 then and is 21 now. (Have a different declawed cat now).

Thinking my son should get checked after the newest drugs come out in October. he didn't even know I had  hep c until about 3 months ago, right before I got on sovaldi/olysio. Especially since he's on my health insurance until age 26.

Also, why do they say mosquitoes can't transmit it? To avoid mass hysteria? I always wondered about that, since they transmit so many other diseases.



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So...I was thinking,,,,dangerous...I know....uncle mo.....a famous race horse was retired as a three year old because he had hepititus.

im going to assume.....(yes, I know....and ass of you and me).....cows can be infected with hep.....can it be transmitted to people that eat the meat of an infected animal?



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