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JimmyK


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Thanks Tig those are nice. It amazes me that Rolex uses stainless steel and not Titanium.

I sure hope everyone is having a great day. Here in The States we are doing Thanksgiving. This is a special one for Carolyn and I and I wish y'all a Great Day!

 

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Hey Jimmy,

Went shopping for watches. I decided on these two for you and Carol. The significance is each time you look at the green face, it will be a reminder that you have decimated the Green Beast within...  A battle won! I know a nice watch makes you happy, we hope this made you smile. You both deserve it!

PS: Had to put them on layaway, long term. I'll let you know when I get em, lol! wink

 



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I, too, was a bit befuddled so just let it go over my head.

 



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Hi Jimmy,

It must be me, but I'm not sure that I understand the original post.  Am I missing something?  You did get treatment, right?

Doctors must use their best judgment when determining treatment outcome.  I do not love all of my doctors, but if I do not trust their judgment, I change doctors.

Doctors can refuse to treat on the basis of conscience, medical noncompliance, or ask that patients be free of nicotine, alcohol or other drugs...I accept it.

 

 

 



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Aww yes, The Rooster. wink That is what I meant to say when I said, "I find this fascinating.." no

 

Personally I find such mentality as the first step into the slippery slope of who is worthy. Down the road some certain somebody's  will be worthy of treatment and that will include age related approvals.

" I don't do alcoholics"  will become.

" I don't do old people."

" I don't do fat people."

" I don't do Felons."

" I don't do Redheads."

Another thing I find fascinating is the fact that the Hippocratic Oath can be revised. The oath itself being somewhat of a moral pledge would therefore require a revision in morals to accomplish and justify a revision in the oath. Yep I find that fascinating.

Think Lasagna (yes this is a test)

 

Cock a Doddle Doo y'all!

 



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Love what Tig said...whether they believe it will happen to them is another thing"...we hear this in recovery all the time... Maybe it will be different this time! I know scores of people in and out of 12 step fellowships that resumed drinking after they were cured of HCV and it infuriates me. I pray for them. Not worth it for me to stay angry and that's all I can do is pray for them.

Totally relate Jimmy; didn't have a drop of booze in me when I came to stare down a spoon as well. 

 

Yes we need to celebrate......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4fXED13E6Y

 

maybe with a rooster



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Generally the rate of reinfection exceeds rates of relapse. People that are involved in risky behavior, drugs, alcohol, etc., reexpose themselves more often. Whether they believe it will happen to them is another thing. Fact is, people under the influence tend to do things they wouldn't do straight. The concern is shared by doctors and insurance alike. Some test for drugs and alcohol before treatment is approved. Continuing to drink during treatment is a wasted effort. Odds go down. If liver fibrosis is an issue, then it wouldn't ever be wise to continue. 

Yes Jimmy, we need some joy and celebration! Whom shall we pick on?  wink Might have to fire up a couple of drones and get a Brisket smoking. Now we're talkin.... =>



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"Conversely, other clinicians might argue that even if a patient is cured of HCV, excessive alcohol use may lead to high-risk behaviors that predispose the patient to reinfection."

Seriously?

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i knew a one-of-a-kind crack-up |(excuse pun) orthopedic surgeon, shoulders and hips his forte, he could make magic happen, re-create stuff you reeeeally needed to function, but did not own, importantly sometimes out of your very own bits and a lot of artistic creative labour on his part. He was also a bone prof. and taught other bone crackers. Short of miraculous, he could make very dubious things work quite well again, especially talented in re-creating you some tendons and the like, but he had many amazing things he could achieve with hips and shoulders. For ongoing chronic things, he interviewed pts., very carefully, and repeatedly in his assessment(s) of them, sometimes for years!, until the time came when you and he decided you could not longer "get by" without his surgical assistance. If there were any non-surgical plausible remedies, they were utilized and exhausted prior to surg. His last resort was surg., generally. He was justifiable proud of his great abilities to re-create functionality again. I was curious about his repeated quizzing of potential surgical candidates about their drinking habits/alcoholism. I figured it out later (the doc stopped short of saying "I don't DO alcoholics").  A personal/professional golden rule? So many surgeries to do, so many people to help, and only 2 hands?  A phisio guy that knew him said "they fall down and will undue his work", he also added, they may or may not do the phisio required and asked of them. I guess the bone doc saw his work as an investment in a person. I think lots of docs appear callous this way, how "salvageable" a pt. is and how justifiable the time, work, expense is, when weighing their pt. treatment decisions against what the most likely outcome will be. I believe this doc, when he discerned alcoholics, would get them to another good doc who did not have such tight golden rules/or such tight surgical schedules. I found BC callous, where my province says to me, do 24 weeks of sof/riba, and no, we are not making sof/dac available to you either (until you flunk the sof/riba) further more, you will still have to do the riba with your 2nd run of sof/dac, and just forget all about about us making sof/vel/vox available to you for a very, very long time, or, maybe ever. Now, we haven't even got to the p'd-off thing about making people wait until they are F4 before you offer them any treatment eh?

Jimminy crickets aren't I cynical!!

To change the subject radically, I love dogs!! BTW - I'll have you know I used up one of my turkeys. Glad yer back bro. biggrin C.

 

 



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,,, and at the same time l kind of feel like slapping any so called clinician who would while, no doubt be overtly infected with dickeydoo disease, but regardless of his disadvantage, there seems to me to be little excuse for such a statement;

"The question of whether and when to treat patients with hepatitis C who also have uncontrolled alcohol use disorder has plagued clinicians for nearly 30 years . There are a number of arguments for and against. For example, those in favor of treating immediately might suggest, simply, that if a patient has a disease, and if there is an available cure for that disease, it should be cured. Conversely, other clinicians might argue that even if a patient is cured of HCV, excessive alcohol use may lead to high-risk behaviors that predispose the patient to reinfection."

This is in my book, a classic example of one lifting his pinky while sipping Tea.

The fact is alcohol and Hep C is gas and fire. Period.

To suggest one who drinks excessively "may lead to high-risk behaviors that predispose the patient to reinfection."....is ludicrous if used as a logic not to treat.

I do believe all of us who were attracted to High Risk Behavior where attracted to it's Risk. I did not trip into it in a drunken stupor. I engaged it in total expectation of reaping it's rage. Open Eyed kind of taking a dare to cross this line.

Pfffft was my attitude. If you can draw it, I can cross it.

It bothers me to so much as suggest that I may have fallen into "high-risk behavior" because I was drunk. It completely ignores how I actually came to a stare down with a spoon, and said "hit me".

http://www.healio.com/hepatology/hepatitis-c/news/print/hcv-next/%7B2e3f4213-ec9a-442a-a79f-0ff834a600e1%7D/hcv-and-alcoholism-how-two-diseases-and-their-treatments-go-hand-in-hand

It is The Season to be Thankful. and that I am. I am thankful for Truth.

 

Disclosure: I just arrived back from Oklahoma City, via my driving skills mind you, with my Mother In Law for The Holidays. What's that you ask? Why yes, forgive me, and her little dog too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW_02k7LRMo

Now where did that come from?

Alas I have refuge.....

I am going to do a watch upgrade/addition/oh whatever. no

I was going to say. "I miss being an idiot!" but I could not withstand the imagined responses. LOL

To be honest, I am making an attempt to awaken the site.

Let's make the crickets be still.

wink

 

 



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