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LamontCranston · Senior Member

RE: Coffee Anyone?

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Thanks!

Tig · Admin

You bet! This is the one I use:

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Tig wrote:
Hey, I'm with you on those plastic pods, they're a disgrace to the environment! I purchased a nice reusable pod and it has paid for itself a thousand times over.

Got a link to that product? I may have to reconsider the Keurig thing.

bbomb · Veteran Member

Did I hear coffee?????

That is the only thing that gets me out of bed and off to work everyday!!!

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Tig wrote:
Hey, I'm with you on those plastic pods, they're a disgrace to the environment! I purchased a nice reusable pod and it has paid for itself a thousand times over. It's similar to the one that comes with the Keurig, but this one just plops into the same area that a normal plastic pod uses. It's very convenient and environmentally sound. I recommend them highly.
Coffee is actually quite good for you and your liver. It has proven anti fibrotic properties. That's probably why I hovered at F3 for so long. I tell myself that it protected my liver from all the booze I was drinking prior to treatment. I knew I was HCV+, but trusted my enzymes were indicative of where my liver health was at the time. That was a mistake. I took large doses of Milk Thistle and that might've made a difference, can't be sure about some of the hype. I do know that it alters the liver enzymes and that may have been why they never got too out of hand. There were times when I didn't take it and they jumped significantly. Maybe this, maybe that, I can't be sure. I tell people not to trust the numbers when they're altering them with supplements.
Not entirely sure caffeinated products count towards your daily intake, but I would say there is an argument to made that as long as they're sugar free, they do. I drank tons of iced tea when I was on treatment, that and coffee were my mainstays. As long as those trips to the LOO produce a nice pale ale yellow in the bowl, you're doing good!

Interesting....I can't imagine if I would have a liver left at all, if I hadn't stopped drinking almost 29 years ago. All those AA meetings were drowned with coffee, too. I am was surprised to find I was a F0-F1, assuming the 22 years of heavy drinking and moderate recreational drug use and a nasty case of HepA must've have done some damage. It's unclear on when I was infected with HCV, though, so it's possible I have only been infected for a short time. I never shared needles, have one tattoo (although I acquired it in Da Nang in 1971 from a local artist who used oldskool(with spit!) methods). I did spend a lot of time in Mexico, in the 70s, 80s, 90s and had dental work, and a transfusion during a minor-ish surgery to repair a torn artery). As I mentioned, wife was poz for anti-bodies, so maybe sharing disposable razors? Anyway, I could drive my self crazy trying to figure out how I was infected, better to just say, "I have it, somehow"

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Tig · Admin

Hey, I'm with you on those plastic pods, they're a disgrace to the environment! I purchased a nice reusable pod and it has paid for itself a thousand times over. It's similar to the one that comes with the Keurig, but this one just plops into the same area that a normal plastic pod uses. It's very convenient and environmentally sound. I recommend them highly.

Coffee is actually quite good for you and your liver. It has proven anti fibrotic properties. That's probably why I hovered at F3 for so long. I tell myself that it protected my liver from all the booze I was drinking prior to treatment. I knew I was HCV+, but trusted my enzymes were indicative of where my liver health was at the time. That was a mistake. I took large doses of Milk Thistle and that might've made a difference, can't be sure about some of the hype. I do know that it alters the liver enzymes and that may have been why they never got too out of hand. There were times when I didn't take it and they jumped significantly. Maybe this, maybe that, I can't be sure. I tell people not to trust the numbers when they're altering them with supplements.

Not entirely sure caffeinated products count towards your daily intake, but I would say there is an argument to made that as long as they're sugar free, they do. I drank tons of iced tea when I was on treatment, that and coffee were my mainstays. As long as those trips to the LOO produce a nice pale ale yellow in the bowl, you're doing good!

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Tig wrote:
I had to laugh when I saw your comment about "a few cups per day"! Remember I said "addicted"? Well, on a slow day I probably drink about 20 cups, big cups... Caffeine doesn't seem to affect me the way it does most folks. Maybe if I gave it up I'd discover that's not entirely true? Lord, I'd never get out of my chair!
If they made a pocket sized Keurig, I'd buy one! There's a path worn into the floor between my chair and the coffee pot. (My floor is ceramic tile, lol.)
I think I've seen Peet's in my local store, I'll have to check that one out, thanks for the tip!

When I was still employed, I made a large thermos of coffee to drink when I got to work...over the years I progressed to where I bought a Technivorm (sort of high-end coffee maker) for my workspace/office, as well as a Bialetti Expresson maker and hotplate. I never got to the point where I got a grinder, though, but I thought of getting one, since coffee is Way Better when freshly ground.

I'd be a player for Keurig, too, but those little plastic cups are such a blatant over use of plastic packaging. I am all for coffee-on-demand as a human right but those plastic cups are such a bad idea. Waiting for someone to make them out of a re-usable or 100% bio-degradable material, that can be loaded with my own blend. Kind of like making your own ammo, like my prepper uncle used to do.

Like you, caffeine and coffee don't give me any negative effects, it doesn't keep me awake at night, or anything like that. In fact, I have a nice big cup everyday at about 2:00, take a nice 40 minute nap and then I am ready to watch "Let me interrupt you" (Chris Matthews HardBall) and get my update on the world.

One thing, does coffee count as part of the One Gallon a Day of Water? If not, I might need a catheter and a bucket.

As for Coffee and Weight, that is hilarious, like you, I should be nearly insubstantial at this point.

-- Edited by LamontCranston on Wednesday 26th of July 2017 12:35:34 PM

-- Edited by LamontCranston on Wednesday 26th of July 2017 12:45:50 PM

Tig · Admin

Got this in an email today! I should weigh about 10 pounds by now... I suppose it's the flavored creamer that's the problem. Will keep trying... smile

Coffee & Weight

Tig · Admin

I had to laugh when I saw your comment about "a few cups per day"! Remember I said "addicted"? Well, on a slow day I probably drink about 20 cups, big cups... Caffeine doesn't seem to affect me the way it does most folks. Maybe if I gave it up I'd discover that's not entirely true? Lord, I'd never get out of my chair!

If they made a pocket sized Keurig, I'd buy one! There's a path worn into the floor between my chair and the coffee pot. (My floor is ceramic tile, lol.) wink

I think I've seen Peet's in my local store, I'll have to check that one out, thanks for the tip!

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Tig wrote:
Can you recommend some good beans? Caffeinated, of course, medium to dark roast. I'm a coffee addict that's easily pleased, but nothing beats good quality!

In California, and most of the West, the best "big" brand is Peet's, available at CostCo for about 7 bucks a lb if you buy 3 lb bags.

There are a few smaller local roasters that are good, but generally are 10 bucks a lb or more. If you drink a few cups a day, one of those 3 lb bags would last about 3-4 weeks.

Looks like a lot stores in FLA carry it.

Tig · Admin

Can you recommend some good beans? Caffeinated, of course, medium to dark roast. I'm a coffee addict that's easily pleased, but nothing beats good quality!

LamontCranston · Senior Member

I couldn't resist this extravagance anymore. For years we had a hinky little electric grinder that just couldn't do a very consistent grind, so this Baratza Encore was on sale, and I just had to have it. And it does an awesome job, Drip, Press or Expresso.

Canuck · Guru

Yes, we, of wee F scores ARE a fortunate bunch! biggrin C.

LamontCranston · Senior Member

Maybe my Peet's Coffee habit is a good thing? My Fibroscan #'s were dam good (F0-F1). Also haven't picked up a drink in almost 29 years might've helped, too.

My friend, Larry, not so lucky, died at 65 this past week of total liver failure. Not clear if he had HepC but I know he enjoyed his cocktails. RIP.

wendyo · Guru

amen sister

Canuck · Guru

This is yet just another repeat confirmation that coffee may be good for our livers, BUT, (as noted in the many other articles/cpnversations we have had, scattered throughout this site, about coffee possibly being good for you) ... it is supposed to be ground "fresh brewed"/ dripped/or percolated coffee it seems - not instant/powdered/or modified in some kind of concentrated supplement pill and not just caffeine alone - they say "fresh brewed" is the way to go!

A small delicious vice that we do not have to modify or exempt from our lives and livers, that we can enjoy in dosed moderation with impunity, and perhaps just offers us some important added benefits! Enjoy your coffee, it may well be good for you (unless you are forbidden from it for other good reasons)!

Published in Gastroenterology

News · June 14, 2017

Coffee, Herbal Tea Consumption May Protect Against Liver Disease

Frequent coffee and herbal tea consumption inversely associated with liver stiffness

TUESDAY, June 13, 2017 (HealthDay News) -- Regularly drinking coffee or herbal tea may help prevent chronic liver disease, according to a study published online June 6 in the Journal of Hepatology.

To investigate the possible protective effects of coffee and tea, researchers examined data on 2,424 Dutch individuals age 45 or older who did not have liver disease. The investigators examined medical records, including results of abdominal and liver scans. They also analyzed responses to food and beverage questionnaires that asked about tea and coffee consumption.

The investigators found that frequent coffee drinkers had significantly lower risk for liver stiffness and less scarring regardless of their lifestyle and environment. Overall, frequent herbal tea and coffee drinking appeared to have a protective effect on the liver and prevent scarring among those who had not yet developed any obvious signs of liver disease.

"The consumption of herbal tea and daily consumption of three or more cups of coffee was related to the presence of lower liver stiffness, independent of a great number of other lifestyle and environmental factors," the authors write. "Previous studies have found a protective effect of coffee on established liver disease and we now show for the first time that this effect is already measurable in the general population."

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