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John--

I really don't know how you did 48. I chose to wait because I could, and due to everything I'd read regarding the sx. I am happy to hear you are UND in 4 wks.this time around. I think, and hope, this time you achieve SVR . At 4 weeks UND, you andI both have a good start.

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jimbob: 64 y/o, GT 1A, F1-F2, diagnosed 1996. Since 1970. SOT 3.5 mil VL on 3/10/14 with Sov/Rib/Peg for 12 weeks. Tx naive. UND @ week 4,8,12. EOT 6/2/14.



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This is my 4th time since 1991 on interferon - I don't how i did it for 48 either!



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Hi Tim, Gigi.
Gigi I bought one of those $49.95 daily pill boxes with an auto recording that yells, 'Hey dummy,time to take your meds!'. Just kidding. What happened was I took my morning meds and went back to take a Tylenol 30 minutes later. Problem was I automatically reached for my pill box just out of habit, and after I swallowed them realized what I had done. I'm so accustomed to going to that pill box I just didn't think. Of course, my brain fog didn't help. I told Zilkster previously that I was starting to see his avatar in my sleep.

jimbob.

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jimbob: 64 y/o, GT 1A, F1-F2, diagnosed 1996. Since 1970. SOT 3.5 mil VL on 3/10/14 with Sov/Rib/Peg for 12 weeks. Tx naive. UND @ week 4,8,12. EOT 6/2/14.



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I work full time and go to school so when mental confusion began it was very hard for me, especially since one of my classes this semester is statistics and that takes mental concentration. But I didn't have the mental confusion for long and I think it was thanks to school. I had to plough through statistics which kept my brain sharp.

i have always been bad at taking medication consistently so before I started treatment I brought a cheap pill box that has morn and night slots. Every Saturday, I refill I he box with a weeks worth of meds and haven't had ant problems taking the meds. I may be up to an hour too early or too late but that hasn't been an issue.

because ribavirin can cause the confused thinking, I organized everything prior to the onset of tx and that has really helped. Keep plugging along. We all have our challenges and venting here is perfectly acceptable. You might ask a question that someone else is too scared to ask, that's how I try to look at things

 



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Jimbob,

You sound P-E-R-F-E-C-T-L-Y normal, especially for someone that's on treatment.    You'll be O.K. especially when after you get done with tx.

...just be really careful with meds dosing, I've had that very same situation arise and it's kinda un-nerving.   doh

 

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PW, JoAnneh, Kellie, Rundout , newmex, and others - thanks for the advice. On the bad days I just think 'one foot infront of the other ' til the end rundout.

If you'ever travelled cross country in a car, that's what my couch looks like Kellie.

JoAnneh, I remember following your tx a few years ago, felt I just couldn't do the Incivek. All of you 48 weekers and multiple tx doers are the true pathfinders for us newbies.

Never realized TV could be so bad....

jimbob



-- Edited by jimbob on Monday 12th of May 2014 03:50:54 PM

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hey jimbob, its ok bro. you're on tx, interferon and riba did a head-job on me bad and I couldn't go out in the sun either.

about week 11 -  i had to get help for severe depression. doing this made it possible to finish the 24 weeks. keep an eye out - you're in the time period now.

i watched a lot of bad tv, ie bar rescue, the Waltons etc...

My couch has a permanent dent in it now from the amount of time i spent there.

a it's a fog now looking back on it.

Easy does it - you'll be doing the Misty Mountain Hop like you've never done before in no time



-- Edited by Kellie on Thursday 8th of May 2014 01:59:51 AM

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You have my respect, I was set up  for this Tx before I found a trial  ... Stay hydrated ( makes everything more  tolerable )

Make it a one day at a time job, finishing the treatment is the only goal you should worry about.

Good luck and get it done



-- Edited by rundout on Wednesday 7th of May 2014 01:41:39 PM

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Jimbob,
I was so restless at first on the medicine.
Not accustomed to 'lounging around'
After several weeks I just accepted it and
Found things to do like reading and studying
the bible, watching TV--which bores me
On a good day:) watched movies.
I had to keep my medicine in ONE AREA
To help with confusion and still got confused.
I am a surviving 48 weeker and my the time
It ended My thinking was a marshmallow!
I am 13 months post treatment and am
Starting to have lots of energy.
12 weeks is hard as your body is in
Shock mode, be kind to yourself
And know it ends in few weeks.
Being SVR is a great feeling!
Enjoying life everyday and studying
Gods word has brought me closer to Him!
So treatment improved my life in
Huge way.
I will be keeping up with your progress.
Keep your medicine in one place

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Hi all.
Wow, this has to be the most empathetic and selfless group of people I've ever encountered. Thank you for you responses.
Scruffy, you sir have earned your wings. For all you given I sincerely hope your hep c-free dreams come to pass. Forty-eight weeks is beyond my comprehenion. And you're on the last . A big congratulations to you.
Caryn, Isiscat and I both know  your words are from the heart. And Isiscat, as usual, a wise suggestion. Fortunately, tomorrow I go for my 8 wk draw even tho I'm in my 9th wk.
Tazcat I just don't want the levee to break (got no place to go).
And to everyone else thanks again for your support.
I've given this some thought and believe because I waited to retire to do this, I've become listless, not knowing what to do. Can't really get out in the sun or do much because I get winded and fatigued. Untethered might be the word, and anxious to be done with it. Also apathetic.
Isiscat, I bought oatmeal bath in anticipation of this tx.Just haven't used it yet-will do.
Thanks again everyone.
P.S. I was trying to recall a Hemingway quote re: moving away to escape ,"You can't get away from yourself by moving from one place to another" , and started to tear up while reading this tortured man's quotes It's hard to tell where the self ends and the drugs begin.
jimbob



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-- Edited by jimbob on Wednesday 7th of May 2014 04:40:07 AM

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Caryn wrote:

 You are absolutely correct. Maybe I should have been more clear in my response. I used the word perseverance thinking of the members who made it through the long term of treatment and didn't quit. Not by any means because of severe side effects that could do extreme harm, but just the general miserable feeling of being on treatment. We are trying to kill a virus, not ourselves and I hope my comment didn't come across That way. I have been on this treatment for only 4 1/2 weeks and working full time. There have been a few bad days that have made me question if I could hang in there, that's all. 


I didn't take your comments that way, Caryn.  I just worry that some people who could be reading may try to tough it out when they really should be seeking medical attention.  Safety first!

I'm glad you are doing ok.  You will be finished in no time.  Time flies when you are having fun.  smile



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Jimbob hang in there, i am a little over half way on the 48 week incivic program and i feel exactly the same way. Am on Anti depressants and am thinking they help but sometimes i wonder. Have found out watching your diet does help. For me sugars and chocolates are definitely not good, make me feel twice as dingy. I cant carry on a conversation longer than a couple sentences some days, then the next day i feel almost normal. Or at least what I remember as normal, lol

But vl is undetectable and has been since wk 2 on the Incivic, except for one week that showed detectable but  too low to count, liver enzymes almost normal. So much as i hate it am going to try to finish it out.  As dazed and confused as I am.

And best of luck to every one on here.

 



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ahhhh,, led zeppelin dazed & confused.. loved that song.. i am not as dazed & confused on this sovaldi,peg/riba. just hating this riba & peg again. i'll never  know how i did it 32 weeks back in 2011-12. not ot mention the 3 months in 2002 & 3 months again in 2005.  i am so thankful for the only 12 weeks. i remember a frieend one of the very first treatments somewhere in the 90's.  three shots a week.. oh my. no way. she did it tho. but she relapsed in later yrs & died 2 yrs ago. still miss her. but i got to give it to her for those 3 shots a week. these trials etc HAVE come a longggggg way.. thank god!! peace out  Tazsmile



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Isiscat2011 wrote:
Caryn wrote:
I feel the same way!  My mind is going 1000 mph, but my body can't keep up!  I totally agree, I have some serious respect for the 24 and 48 week people. Sticking with it for that long is some serious perseverance! 

 

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You guys are doing great but just a little friendly comment about the whole perseverance thing:  The Interferon/Riba combo can cause some very serious problems, both physical and mental, and this isn't just about perseverance.  If you feel like you are in any real trouble get some medical help.  

My tx was discontinued in week 10, and that was the third time my doctor suggested it was time to stop, because I was having systemic problems with the drugs (Incivek too) that he didn't think looked good.  But for my own stubbornness I would have stopped sooner and been better off both short and long term.  

Back then, the docs didn't know quite what to do yet,  because Incivek was so new and nobody outside of the clinical trials had been through it yet.  You guys are in a similar position with Sovaldi+Interferon+Riba but, fortunately, the tx time is shorter and Sovaldi does not appear to exacerbate the Interferon/Riba side effects.   You will probably be just fine but just be careful not to take the whole stoic thing too far.   


 You are absolutely correct. Maybe I should have been more clear in my response. I used the word perseverance thinking of the members who made it through the long term of treatment and didn't quit. Not by any means because of severe side effects that could do extreme harm, but just the general miserable feeling of being on treatment. We are trying to kill a virus, not ourselves and I hope my comment didn't come across That way. I have been on this treatment for only 4 1/2 weeks and working full time. There have been a few bad days that have made me question if I could hang in there, that's all. 



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4/2014 - tx with Sovaldi/Olysio/Riba. VL 39 mil. - VL 230 @ 1 week, VL 40 @ 3 weeks, 5 weeks UND, EOT - UND, EOT @ 4 weeks UND, EOT @ 12 weeks UND!



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Caryn wrote:
I feel the same way!  My mind is going 1000 mph, but my body can't keep up!  I totally agree, I have some serious respect for the 24 and 48 week people. Sticking with it for that long is some serious perseverance! 

 

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You guys are doing great but just a little friendly comment about the whole perseverance thing:  The Interferon/Riba combo can cause some very serious problems, both physical and mental, and this isn't just about perseverance.  If you feel like you are in any real trouble get some medical help.  

My tx was discontinued in week 10, and that was the third time my doctor suggested it was time to stop, because I was having systemic problems with the drugs (Incivek too) that he didn't think looked good.  But for my own stubbornness I would have stopped sooner and been better off both short and long term.  

Back then, the docs didn't know quite what to do yet,  because Incivek was so new and nobody outside of the clinical trials had been through it yet.  You guys are in a similar position with Sovaldi+Interferon+Riba but, fortunately, the tx time is shorter and Sovaldi does not appear to exacerbate the Interferon/Riba side effects.   You will probably be just fine but just be careful not to take the whole stoic thing too far.   



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I would agree with Isiscat about the blood work. At least rule out being anemic.



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I feel the same way!  My mind is going 1000 mph, but my body can't keep up!  I totally agree, I have some serious respect for the 24 and 48 week people. Sticking with it for that long is some serious perseverance! 
jimbob wrote:

I've been on this tx 9 weeks now. I just can't imagine you early warriors did this for 24-48 weeks. Physically, it's been better than I imagined as I was expecting to almost be bed-ridden based on previous reports. However, mentally a different story. I am extremely antsy. I feel I need to be doing something but don't know what. It's almost a guilty feeling. I'm preoccupied, confused, difficulty concentrating, anxious,  constantly on the fence not knowing what side to take. Having trouble focusing and comprehending, sometimes finding myself standing in a daze. This morning I took my Sov/Rib ****tail @ 7. At 7:30 I started to take another med and automatically  reached for the daily pill container and inadvertently took tonites 3 Riba pills just out of habit. Called the pharmacist, he kinda chuckled like he'd heard this before and told me to just skip tonite's meds. My emotions are all over the place. Thete are times I'm unsure of just how I feel,or why.  So forgive me if I correspond less or start sounding scattered. Also feel a little guilty even mentioning this as so many of you have had far more difficult treatments.

 

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Yes, please don`t feel guilty for expressing how you`re feeling, Jimbob, this is the place to share what you`re going through, so do feel free to vent.  Anyone who`s suffered from riba rage and brain fog while on treatment understands what it`s like!

The tx you`re on with peg/riba isn`t easy and quite often the emotional and mental side effects are worse than the physical one, and that was certainly my experience.  Go easy on yourself and do whatever you can to relax and get through your last three weeks, it`s not much longer now.  And remember that most of us get confused about the dosage at least once over the course of tx, so don`t stress about it, just carry on as normal from tomorrow.

Try to relax yourself with things you enjoy, like music, favourite films or TV programs, whatever makes you feel good, and try to keep your day to day life as simple as possible.  Best of luck, hang on in there!  smile

 

 



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Oh, Jimbob, I know the exact feeling you are describing.  Pretty common on the Int/Riba combo and it isn't pleasant.  The accidental early Riba dosing didn't help matters and I'm glad you called the pharmacist about that.  Getting confused about dosage times was also not uncommon with that combo.

I don't know if this will help because you are a guy, and some guys aren't that into baths, but it sure helped me.  I used to sit in a warm bath for up to a couple of hours at a time.  Also lit candles and played soft music.  A little lavender oil adds to the relaxation factor as does chamomile tea. For a while I had this odd hankering for country music but it was not always calming.  Massage therapy can also work wonders.  Whatever you normally do to de-stress is what I would do now (not including vigorous exercise).  

You should feel better by tonight and you won't have to take your evening dose of Riba since you already did that.  But, I understand this is an ongoing process.  If you need to don't hesitate to call your doc to see if some medicinal therapy may be in order to help you relax and get enough sleep.  Not my first choice, but I'd do whatever it takes to get comfortable, as long as it is safe.

Also, don't feel guilty.  Tx sucks and it effects everyone to different degrees.  



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Hey jimbob that sounds VERY familiar. Hang in there buddy. Try to get out of the house and get a change of scenery. That helped me from time to time. Are you sleeping ok?

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Hiya jimbob

You have to learn how to SLOW DOWN a bit. I'm going to do shot 48 this Saturday. I've been where you are now and then some. I'm about to finish the old triple tx with incivek I can't really tell you about the sov/riba bit, but I can say about the riba.. You have to slow down and brake out or find your way out of that riba fog.

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I've been on this tx 9 weeks now. I just can't imagine you early warriors did this for 24-48 weeks. Physically, it's been better than I imagined as I was expecting to almost be bed-ridden based on previous reports. However, mentally a different story. I am extremely antsy. I feel I need to be doing something but don't know what. It's almost a guilty feeling. I'm preoccupied, confused, difficulty concentrating, anxious,  constantly on the fence not knowing what side to take. Having trouble focusing and comprehending, sometimes finding myself standing in a daze. This morning I took my Sov/Rib ****tail @ 7. At 7:30 I started to take another med and automatically  reached for the daily pill container and inadvertently took tonites 3 Riba pills just out of habit. Called the pharmacist, he kinda chuckled like he'd heard this before and told me to just skip tonite's meds. My emotions are all over the place. Thete are times I'm unsure of just how I feel,or why.  So forgive me if I correspond less or start sounding scattered. Also feel a little guilty even mentioning this as so many of you have had far more difficult treatments.

 

jimbob



-- Edited by jimbob on Tuesday 6th of May 2014 04:40:53 PM

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