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mallani wrote:

Jill: My hygienist said brushing you teeth after drinking lemon juice was a sure way to rub off enamel.

     Bit of a shame that tooth enamel ceases to be produced after the age of 6!


 Thanks for that, Malcolm, that blows my theory out of the water then!  I`m losing my teeth at the rate of about 1 a year now, I don`t suppose lemon water can do much harm to false teeth!  I`m seriously considering getting some implants but the cost is shocking...I don`t really want to take out another mortgage at my age!!  wink

 

 

 

 



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I checked my prescription, it's omeprazole and it works. I stopped taking it after it worked (4 weeks) but it didn't last. I think I may be on it for good now. Started again yesterday as my stomachs been acting up again for a week or two. 



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Jill: My hygienist said brushing you teeth after drinking lemon juice was a sure way to rub off enamel.

     Bit of a shame that tooth enamel ceases to be produced after the age of 6!

John: Anyone who has had one cavity in 54 years deserves a medal. I note your avatar implies you finished the Atlanta Marathon- well done mate. Yes, the etc included Goo Goo Clusters and a jar of addictive sweets that 

     Matt kindly presented to us! 



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I failed today drinking lemon chose huge mug of coffee
And my stomach has hurt all day.
Now I am determined not to drink coffee in the morning but.....

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John wrote:

"I've been fortunate with only one cavity and no gum issues my entire life. Gainesville, Florida was one of the first cities to fluoridate its municipal water supply in the late 1940's and I apparently reaped the benefit. Neither HCV or my few weeks on Peg/Riba created any dental problems."

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Hey John,

Thanks for rubbing that in, lol! One cavity and you're 54 years old? I'm getting closer and closer to ONE tooth.... You are truly fortunate my friend! 

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin Teeth: Enjoy em' while you got em'.....



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I'm not sure that having an Arnold Palmer later in the day with real lemonade counts. I've always been an a.m. coffee addict and need my large mug before I leave the house. We do consume a fair amount of lemons with a lot of Mediterranean dishes, just not for breakfast. Brushing after drinking lemon water makes sense.

I've been fortunate with only one cavity and no gum issues my entire life. Gainesville, Florida was one of the first cities to fluoridate its municipal water supply in the late 1940's and I apparently reaped the benefit. Neither HCV or my few weeks on Peg/Riba created any dental problems.

Treatment duration is so short and primarily without INF these days, I guess doctors don't even screen for periodontal disease anymore prior to the start of medication.

john

Malcolm, does the "etc." include GooGoo Clusters? biggrin

 



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I used to drink a glass of boiled water with fresh lemon juice first think in the morning at one time but have got out of the habit.  I reach for the teapot as soon as I get up these days but after reading your post, Matt, I`m inspired to get back to a healthy liver-friendly start to the day. 

Good tip from your dental hygienist, Malcolm, I suppose rinsing your mouth out and cleaning your teeth straight afterwards would minimise the damage, although I`m not sure how good mint toothpaste would taste after drinking lemon water! 

Good luck to you, JoAnne, I hope the suggestions here will help you with the pain and discomfort you`re feeling in your liver area. 

Thanks for starting this thread, it`s a very interesting topic for many of us here!  smile

 

 



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SVR Nov 2011 --> Still UND @ EOT + 4 yrs.

 

 
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Interesting topic.

Today I visited my Dental Hygienist. She claimed the 'fad' of starting the day with lemons and lemon juice is the worst possible thing for tooth enamel. I wouldn't have a clue!

I was happy my chronic gum disease was stable after my diet in the USA (waffles etc) and I had minimal plaque. Cheers.



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Hey Tim & JoAnneh

Try it for at least a week, don't be surprised if you have to go to the restroom fairly soon afterward. I still like a cup of coffee or two later during breakfast.

Lemons have a weird characteristic in that that are normally acidic but combined with water and consumed by drinking, they turn into a highly alkaline drink which for most people is a good thing and a healthy contribution to balancing their PH level.

Our course the both the Liver and the Kidneys reap the greatest benefits of this practice.

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Matt, I bought a lemon today as I use to drink water with lemon every morning as I read it cleanses the liver. My love for coffee stopped my desire for lemon.
Now after buying a lemon to get restarted has been motivated by your encouraging info on lemon water!
I will let you all know how it goes. My sluggishness liver needs a good purification every morning.
I am so thankful for this forum and the people who keep it going. Thank you!!!

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Matt,

Thanks for the recipe, I'm interested and shall bookmark this thread so that I can digest(no pun intended) this information later on.

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Hello JoAnneh

I know that feeling coming from that general area around the Liver, most of the time it does seems related to food or drink consumption. Because everyone's diet is different  I think the one approach would be to take note of the foods that cause this issue and try to avoid them. Sugar, fats and salts are the usual suspects but sometimes it can be unique other foods.

One thing that has consistently proves helpful is starting out each day (after waking) with 1/2 lemon (cored)  in (not cold) purified 16 oz of water mixed at high speed, some people add little honey or add a few drops cayenne extract to dilate blood vessels (Helps get the blood moving). This is not for sipping, drink it down in a short time frame. Wakes a person up and flushes the whole gastro system to get the motion going. This lemon drink is touted in many health books.  

Also checkout the Thread "Foods that My Liver Loves and Foods that it Hates"   http://hepcfriends.activeboard.com/f388446/nutrition-and-complementary-therapies/

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-- Edited by Matt Chris on Monday 11th of May 2015 09:38:02 PM

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I had reported to my nurse a problem with my windpipe also. It feels as if something is grabbing it and twisting it. Maybe 2 much sun and rich food on vacation. She said ther is a large vien that runs along the esophagus and cant be effected by Hep C. (I forgot what disease she called it). I really blame it on the tx. I dont have any issues with it until I take the combo in the morning. It could be the Ribavirin. I take Aciphex for Gerd but rarely need it. Elevating you head at sleep and eating smaller meals help. I feel once I am off this tx. I will know for sure.



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JoAnneh wrote:

Paul, what diet plan are you on?


 

 I am on no particular plan.  I just eat loads of fruit and vegetables. Nuts, legumes, lentils, whole wheat bread, fish, olive oil and rolled oats made into porridge for brekkie. Home made tomato pasta sauce is a favourite.

Very little red meat and virtually zero food that comes in a packet, and no soda type drinks.  Just water or herbal tea or occasionally a fruit juice or apple cider vinegar.  As I mentioned, eating foods which I have a weakness for, such as yoghurt and chocolate, causes me massive pain.  It has been very helpful in refining my diet even further.



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Thank you everyone for your ideas/comments!

I think my diet has a lot to do with the pain as Paul mentioned

ever since my gallbladder has been removed I have had harsh pain from time

to time. Overloading my liver on sugar or too big of a meal creates stress.

Paul, what diet plan are you on?

Also, I may need to stay on anti acid as several of you mentioned you are on a daily dose.

Thank you ALL for your support!



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-- Edited by JoAnneh on Monday 11th of May 2015 01:24:53 PM

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JoAnneh wrote:

 I had gallbladder removed three years ago.

 



-- Edited by JoAnneh on Sunday 10th of May 2015 07:05:57 PM

 I had mine removed about 5 years ago.  I have pain in that area for days on end when I eat fatty food, like yoghurt for example.  Even chocolate will do it.

I can consume small amounts but have to be careful.  I am certainly no expert but I think the pain is related to the unregulated release of bile since there is no

longer a gall bladder in control.  I must say that my already super healthy diet has gone to the next level as a result of  my effort to stay on top of

the untenable pain.



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Hi JoAnneh,

I have never been convinced about suggestions for a 'cirrhosis' diet. Sure, limiting salt is a good idea and we should be careful with sugar. Essentially, I eat what I like.

Cirrhotics seem to have some problems with the sphincter muscle in the lower oesophagus and oesophageal motility. The reason for this is not obvious. This makes us prone to acid and bile reflux.

For many years I have taken Pariet, one of the proton pump inhibitors, that decreases the amount of acid produced by the stomach (Prilosec is similar). Ideally this should be taken for a short period. However, I just take them constantly, without any problems. My regular gastroscopies have not shown any hiatus hernia but sometimes there is evidence of reflux.

Whether coffee is good for the liver( i.e. reducing fibrosis) is a popular concept- I only drink one cup a day. It is a debatable subject, but I'm sure it doesn't harm the liver.

Ask for a gastroscopy if you're worried.

You don't have any reason for liver pain, so it's probably something else. Stop worrying and enjoy life! Cheers buddy.



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Not yet, going the end of the month to get the script! Here's hoping!

The stomach issues have appeared since incevik, so I'm sure it was part of the problem at least. Never had them before the last treatment. It's been over a year now post treatment so ready to go another round. Besides, harvoni sounds like a walk in the park compared to peg and then incevik. 

The pills I took for a month and they worked. Now it's been about three months and it's back again. Darn symptoms!



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As far as acid or upset stomach goes I have a prescription for Omeprazole (Prilosec). I tried to only take it for a couple of weeks but found I need it all the time. My hepatologist doc recommended it. 

Diet can make such a huge difference. I'm into quinoa lately and add in some garlic, onions, and a vegetable. I try really really hard to stay away from sugar but am not terribly successful. Ice cream has always settled my stomach. It was probably all the fat that made you sick. Anyway, my rules for myself are no sugar, no diet drinks or processed foods, no fast foods, lots of yogurt for the probiotics, avocado, lots of veggies and fruits, and beans and pasta and tofu for protein. Yes, I break my rules too often. biggrin

 



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Hey Joanne,

I'm sorry you're having those abdominal issues. Seems many of us have had to deal with it at some point, ugh... I wanted to share one list of recommendations on a GERD diet. Perhaps you can get some ideas that may help you get through the night. I had trouble once and there's an antacid called Gaviscon that really helped. Weird stuff though, it hits your stomach and foams up a little. It prevents the acid from backing up into the esophagus. It's a wonderful thing at night time! 

(This is one link split, to keep the page normal size)

https://lahey.org/Departments_and_Locations/Departments/Cancer_Center/Liver_

Cancer_Center/Ebsco_Content/Cirrhosis.aspx?chunkiid=650414



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Gracie,

Thank you for suggesting I check into Gerd,

Invicek was a harsh drug, I was on it 48 weeks but achieved SVR.

Are you on a treatment now?



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I recently read where there is a connection between Gerd and Cirrhosis. Higher percentage of cirrotics get Gerd then those without it. I too have had stomach issues since Incevik for me. The pills she gave me (that stop stomach acid) did help.



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Thanks for your reply, I had gallbladder removed three years ago.
I will research hiatal hernia. Thank you for the article on the benefits of coffee!

Great to hear from you!



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Hi JoAnne,

I'm wondering if some other part of the digestive system is giving you trouble, perhaps maybe the gall bladder. It is located on the left side as well. If Prilosec is helping you, maybe you might have a little hiatal hernia aggravating things.

Coffee is supposed to be good for your liver: huffingtonpost



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Anyone having pain in their liver area? 

What diet should we eat with cirrohis?

About a month ago I ate 2 bowls of Blue Bell ice cream before

bed and woke up violently ill. Stomach messed up for a while and I lost 8 lbs.

 Weigh loss could be due to extra duties as a child was getting married.

My stomach had been unsettled for a while so I started taking Prilosec for two weeks

and I feel better. Some times I cant sleep on the side of my liver as it hurts. 

Last night I awoke to pain in liver area. I had an ultrasound last month

and all was well. I can tell my liver is sluggish when I eat big meals and now trying smaller meals.

I have started putting on few pounds as my clothes were baggy!

Does coffee have negative effect on liver?

I am thankful for this board.

 



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